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archive interviews that I've done, including with people like Louise

Alizando, ran the Pentagon program, and also Christopher Mellon, who, a very important figure,

who kind of made all of what's going on right now happen and the things

that I'll be talking to Nick Pope about and this is a great interview too always honored to have

Nick Pope on the show Nick Pope worked for the Ministry of Defense essentially working on a

UFO desk is a term we practically usually use and I do want to start with this, just so you can kind of explain it.

And I think that Louise Elizondo has been in kind of a similar predicament in that people have kind of, you know,

Louise has tried to say it's a program, but it wasn't a full on program, A-tip.

Other people have called it a portfolio, but he's also tried to say,

well, it's not like it's just something I spent a little bit of time on. I did work with others.

Kind of similar to the program you worked on, and you get similar feedback. Hey, Nick is saying it was a

big project and it wasn't, you know.

But it's still hard for you to be able to define what it was.

Absolutely.

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