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Roham Gharegozlou on Flow and Dapper Labs' Mission to Take DeFi Mainstream

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4.8689 Ratings

🗓️ 8 December 2025

⏱️ 38 minutes

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Summary

Dapper Labs Co-Founder & CEO, Roham Gharegozlou discusses the expansion of the Flow ecosystem into DeFi and how programmable assets and Agentic AI will power the next generation of tokenized creator economies. Dapper Labs Co-Founder & CEO Roham Gharegozlou joins Gen C to discuss the evolution of digital collectibles and the next major wave of crypto adoption. He shares the strategy behind building the Flow blockchain, from NBA Top Shot’s success to onboarding millions of consumers, emphasizing economic alignment through their pivot to DeFi with Peak Money. He sees the future powered by stablecoins and Agentic AI, where every creator manages their own tokenized economy on platforms like Disney and TikTok. - Links mentioned from the podcast:  Roham's Twitter Dapper Labs Website Flow Website -Follow us on Twitter: Sam Ewen, CoinDesk -From our sponsors: Break the cycle of exploitation. Break down the barriers to truth. Break into the next generation of privacy. Break Free. Free to scroll without being monetized. Free from censorship. Freedom without fear. We deserve more when it comes to privacy. Experience the next generation of blockchain that is private and inclusive by design. Break free with Midnight, visit midnight.network/break-free Need liquidity without selling your crypto? Take out a Figure Crypto-Backed Loan, allowing you to borrow against your BTC, ETH, or SOL with 12-month terms and no prepayment penalties. They have the lowest rates in the industry at 8.91%, allowing you to access instant cash or buy more Bitcoin without triggering a tax event.Unlock your crypto’s potential today at Figure! https://figuremarkets.co/coindesk - "Gen C" features host Sam Ewen. Executive produced by Uyen Truong.

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0:00.0

We're now at the point where I think the technology is ensuring and I have no doubt.

0:04.1

Every artist, everything that's today a Facebook page or a TikTok profile is going to have

0:09.6

its own economy, both fungible and non-futable tokens.

0:18.2

Welcome to Gen C, Sam, here.

0:20.8

There was a moment in 2020, 2021, where we felt a seismic shift happened in the

0:26.1

crypto space that was really fueled by both the pandemic, but also digital collectibles.

0:31.4

There had been projects like Cryptopunks, CryptoKitties, some other sort of random art projects

0:36.3

that had happened prior to 2020.

0:38.1

But it was really the sort of introduction of NBA Top Shot that started so many of us off on this

0:46.0

really fanatical race to try to collect these digital pictures, digital art, digital collectibles.

0:53.4

And I would say crypto has never really been

0:56.0

the same since. I think you can in some respects look at meme coins and go back to that. You can

1:01.5

look at the idea of tokenization and real world assets back to that moment. And so really no one

1:07.9

better to talk to than Roham Garagoslo, who is the creator of Dapper Labs and the flow blockchain.

1:15.7

And he and the team have been grinding out for the last bunch of years in an effort to really figure out, I think, where their journey goes next because they were such a big part of the kind of big run up in 2021.

1:26.6

So we wanted to talk to CEO, Roham Garagoslow, of Dapper Labs, the flow blockchain, the ones who really kicked us off and really get their sense of what they did, where they're going. And also, I think, in a really kind of authentic way, Roham talks about what they got wrong and how they learned from that and what they're building for the future. So when we come back, we will talk about defy, stable coins, but we'll also be talking

1:49.1

about digital collectibles, agenda AI and how it's influencing digital characters and synthetic

1:53.9

beings, but also the trading bots that are going to help you succeed. And also I think that the

1:58.6

key thing that he talks about here is how much they're

2:01.2

building products for a truly new generation, which I think is an area we should be focusing more on.

2:06.5

So with that, come back after the break, and we'll see you soon.

2:09.7

Break the cycle of exploitation. Break down the barriers to truth. Break into the next generation

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