Roger Parloff on the Oath Keeper Sentences
The Lawfare Podcast
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🗓️ 26 May 2023
⏱️ 42 minutes
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Summary
Thursday was sentencing day for some senior Oath Keepers, and Lawfare Senior Editor Roger Parloff spent the day in court listening to and watching the sentencing of Elmer Stewart Rhodes III and Kelly Meggs, two Oath Keepers chieftains who were convicted of seditious conspiracy in connection with the Jan. 6 insurrection. They got a lot of time: Rhodes got 18 years; Meggs got 12. They also got a terrorism enhancement. It was a bad day if you're an Oath Keeper and a really bad day if you're a Proud Boy.
After the sentencing, Lawfare Editor-in-Chief Benjamin Wittes sat down with Roger to talk through it all. What does it mean for future Oath Keeper sentencing? What does it mean for Proud Boy sentencing? When are we finally going to see the white collar defendants as well as the blue collar defendants in Jan. 6 cases? And can we finally begin to predict what Jack Smith may be up to regarding Jan. 6?
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| 0:29.0 | He did, you know, quarrel with that he wasn't a member of the conspiracy, |
| 0:39.0 | he never lied to the FBI, but there was a lot of evidence that the judge wasn't going to let that dissuade him. |
| 0:49.0 | And I thought, and he told him that he thought, you know, he was being unrealistic |
| 0:55.0 | and accepting what had happened. |
| 0:59.0 | I'm Benjamin Wittis and this is the LawFair podcast May 26, 2023. |
| 1:07.0 | It is sentencing day for some senior oath keepers and Roger Parloff has spent the day in court |
| 1:15.0 | listening to and watching the sentencing of Elmer Stewart Rhodes and Kelly Meggs |
| 1:23.0 | two oath keepers, chiefdans who were convicted of seditious conspiracy and connection with the January 6th insurrection. |
| 1:31.0 | They got a lot of time. |
| 1:33.0 | Rhodes got 18 years, Meggs got 12. |
| 1:37.0 | They got a terrorism enhancement. |
| 1:40.0 | It was a big news day and a bad day if you're an oath keeper and a really bad day if you're a proud boy. |
| 1:47.0 | After the sentencing, Roger joined me in the jungle studio, the actual jungle studio, and we talked it all through. |
| 1:55.0 | What does it mean for future oath keeper sentencing? |
| 1:59.0 | What does it mean for proud boy sentencing? |
| 2:01.0 | When are we finally going to see the white collar defendants as well as the blue collar defendants in January 6th cases? |
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