Roger Parloff Keeps His Oath
The Lawfare Podcast
The Lawfare Institute
4.7 • 6.4K Ratings
🗓️ 26 September 2022
⏱️ 41 minutes
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Summary
Stewart Rhodes, the chieftain of the Oath Keepers, goes on trial this week for seditious conspiracy. The trial is expected to run about five weeks, with jury selection sort of already underway. The opening of the trial gives us a great opportunity to catch up with Lawfare senior editor Roger Parloff on the Oath Keepers, the chief defendant Stewart Rhodes, and the larger project of criminal accountability for the Jan. 6 riot and insurrection.
Lawfare editor-in-chief Benjamin Wittes sat down with Roger to talk about the ever-mounting statistics of convictions and sentencing in Jan. 6-related matters. They talked about Stewart Rhodes: who he is and his weird journey from Yale Law School to conspiracy theorizing and violent uprisings. They talked about the specifics of the indictment. They talked about what makes Proud Boys different from Oath Keepers: who was the pointy end of the spear, and who was standing around waiting for the president to invoke the Insurrection Act? And they talked about the law under which this is taking place: the famed seditious conspiracy statute.
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| 0:29.0 | One of the people that pleaded guilty Joshua James described being instructed in effect |
| 0:41.0 | to be prepared to take his guns to the White House |
| 0:47.0 | and to prevent whoever, the National Guard, or whoever, |
| 0:52.0 | might appear to prevent Trump from being forcibly removed. |
| 0:59.0 | I'm Benjamin Widis and this is the LawFair podcast September 26th, 2022. |
| 1:06.0 | Stuart Rhodes, the chief of the Oath Keepers, |
| 1:10.0 | goes on trial this week for seditious conspiracy. |
| 1:16.0 | The trial is expected to run about five weeks |
| 1:20.0 | with jury selection sort of already underway. |
| 1:24.0 | The opening of the trial gives us a great opportunity to catch up with Roger Parloff on the Oath Keepers, |
| 1:31.0 | the chief defendant Stuart Rhodes, and the larger project of criminal accountability |
| 1:37.0 | for the January 6th riot and insurrection. |
| 1:40.0 | We talked about the ever-mounting statistics of convictions and sentencing in January 6th related matters. |
| 1:48.0 | We talked about Stuart Rhodes, who is he, and his weird journey from Yale Law School to conspiracy theorizing and violent uprisings. |
| 1:58.0 | We talked about the specifics of the indictment, |
| 2:02.0 | what makes Proud Boys different from Oath Keepers, |
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