You win, I lose, or I win and you lose. It's like we don't have a mentality now that we can both have some success.

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Governor John Kasich, delighted to be with you.

Thank you.

Who do you think is experiencing the greater crisis of short-termism?

Is it corporate America today or is it Washington, D.C.?

I think it's both of them.

Now, there's great companies out there that say we have to look for the long term.

I think, you know, if you think about Warren Buffett, I mean, I think he's a long-term investor.

So I don't want to, I'm not condemning all of corporate America.

I'm saying that corporate America needs to look at itself.

That's why you now have this growing movement called inclusive capitalism.

Because when we take a look in and we see the divisions between rich and poor, we see a great

divide, that's an issue for our country. And so I think the more that companies can think about

what they can do to participate in lifting everyone in the country.

And I'm not saying they ought to be, you know, they ought to be, you know, sort of social, what do I say?

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