I'm Jonathan Capehart and this is Cape Up.

If you're a person of color, especially if you're black, you know that some of the worst

people to deal with when it comes to race are white progressives.

They're so woke they can't see their own blind spots, and when they're held accountable

for the racist things they say it or do, or even if those blind spots are pointed out

to them, they lose their minds.

According to Robin DeAngelo, here's why.

Errogant, lack of humility, denial, the more deeply invested I am in an identity of

not being racist, the more resistant I'm going to be to any feedback to the contrary.

DeAngelo, author of the New York Times bestseller White Fragility, comes back to the podcast

to talk about her new book, Nice Racism, how progressive white people perpetuate racial

harm.

Listen to DeAngelo explain how silence, niceness, and even smiling are all part of the problem

right now.

Robin DeAngelo, welcome back to the podcast.

Thank you so much for having me.

I'm so excited to be with you again.

Okay, so we talked a year ago, a little bit, just a month or so more than a year ago.

And probably the most memorable moment came at the very end when you made me cry, it

totally took me by surprise.

But you know, it came, it hit at this time when I think it was just before the killing

of George Floyd, and you know, I was already dealing with just a lot of stuff.

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