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I wanted also Robert to if you're comfortable just briefly talking about this.

I was so touched and sort of moved when I've heard

you speaking about when your wife Shan died because I think it's so important to talk about grief.

My experience of grief was that you expect to lose your parents, it's awful, but there's an inevitability,

but that grief that comes with a life interrupted is

different because you mourn the future don't you didn't have and I just think

that would have been really helpful for people and I'm really glad that you've been so open about it.

Yeah, it felt very much the natural thing to do

and I guess the reason in the end, well, I mean the times that I thought it probably was the right thing to have talked about how bad we are at

grieving in this country and about talking about our emotions was when I mean on a number of

occasions men who've been through you know the same kind of thing as I've been

through you know the death of a loved one would come up to me and just say, you know, you, you know, thanks for, you know, sort of not being embarrassed to talk about this stuff because I you know they would say

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