Hello and welcome to Under the Skin from Lumery. This week I spoke with the gorgeous, the incomparable, the beautiful, the glorious Robert McFarlane. Robert is a writer and fellow of a manual college Cambridge.

He's known for his books on landscape, nature, place, people and language. He's the author of Underland, my favourite book at the moment, and mountains of the mind, a history of fascination.

Underland is well called. It's got other guests from this podcast, like Merlin Sheldrake. He goes on an experience in Epic and Forrest with Merlin Sheldrake, other under the skin guest.

So if you don't recommend Merlin Sheldrake. No, I recommend Nick Hayes. That's all you've recommended. What about Bradley Garrett? He's also friends with Bradley Garrett.

Bradley Garrett and Nick Hayes, they're all friends with all these guys. And I want to be friends with them, Jen. And if you get in the way of these friendships, I...

I was helping you in Nick's friendship. How? I put him as a suggestion. I would like friends.

Bradley's already... I've emailed him, going, look how good this video is. Have a YouTube, yeah? See? Well, did you say, you know, give Russell around?

The probably think that you don't want to hear from them. I do want to. I want to be friends with them.

Because you think they'll look after you in the apocalypse.

No, I would get in the apocalypse. I'm not going to go for those. I love it. I'm going to go for Jocco.

Yeah, in the apocalypse. There's Jocco. Oh no, there's an apocalypse.

We're going to need people that write really good book. No, the time for writing books has passed.

We had our chance to write books, formulate ideologies. We blew it. Jocco now. It's Jocco.

You're ruining the friendship thing.

I love you guys. And up until the apocalypse, there's no one closer to me than the...

What post? The apocalypse, Jocco. Jen, what have you been doing this week?

A... A phone, you and I. A phone, yeah, because you've done nothing.

Have you been playing with that dog? Have you spoke to Justin?

Did you talk about life? Life. Or the ordinary or something.

Maybe you're next Swiss trip. When are you going to Switzerland again?

Everyone else is getting on the list. You're on the red list.

No, I'm not.

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