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From Kikiwit in San Francisco, I'm Alexis Madrigal.

What should our relationship to the non-human world be?

It has been extractive and one-dimensional.

In California, we don't have a department of rivers,

but a department of water resources.

In a new book, celebrated nature writer Robert McFarlane

presents a different vision.

The book, quote, asks what happens if we take seriously

the idea of a river's aliveness.

To do so, he daylights our own rationalist assumptions and introduces us to rivers across the world

as part of a flowing process of unlearning.

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