Robert Kaplan: China Seeks World Island as Middle East Forges New Architecture
Geopolitics & Empire
Geopolitics & Empire
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🗓️ 20 August 2023
⏱️ 31 minutes
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Summary
Best-selling author and renown geopolitical analyst Robert D. Kaplan discusses his new book “The Loom of Time: Between Empire and Anarchy, from the Mediterranean to China”. Empire has worked to stave off anarchy in the Middle East and it’s the first time in memory where there is no imperial authority in the Greater Middle East. China has been doing a lot in the Middle East and it’s ambitions are economic, military, diplomatic, cultural, etc. In his book he does deep dive on countries in the region where he speaks to political elites. We discuss Turkey and how Erdogan has been the most influential leader since Ataturk, moving the country back toward Islam. He also provides insights on Egypt and Saudi Arabia and China’s vie for the World Island.
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About Robert D. Kaplan
ROBERT D. KAPLAN is the bestselling author of twenty-two books on foreign affairs and travel translated into many languages, including The Loom of Time, The Tragic Mind, Adriatic, The Good American, The Coming Anarchy, Balkan Ghosts, Asia’s Cauldron, and The Revenge of Geography. He holds the Robert Strausz-Hupé Chair in Geopolitics at the Foreign Policy Research Institute. For three decades he reported on foreign affairs for The Atlantic.
A senior adviser at Eurasia Group, he was chief geopolitical analyst at Stratfor, a visiting professor at the United States Naval Academy, a senior fellow at the Center for a New American Security, and a member of both the Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board and the U. S. Navy’s Executive Panel. Foreign Policy magazine twice named him one of the world’s “Top 100 Global Thinkers.”
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| 0:00.0 | Geopolitics and Empire is joined by Robert Kaplan, who's the best-selling author of 22 books on foreign affairs and travel, translated into many languages, including his latest book, which is just about to be published, The Loom of Time between Empire and Anarchy from the Mediterranean to China. |
| 0:19.3 | He holds the Robert Strauss-Hoop Chair in Geopolitics at the Foreign Policy Research Institute for to China. He holds the Robert Strauss Hoop Chair in Geopolitics |
| 0:21.9 | at the Foreign Policy Research Institute for three decades. He reported on foreign affairs for the |
| 0:26.2 | Atlantic, the senior advisor at Eurasia Group. He was chief geopolitical analyst at Stratford, a visiting |
| 0:31.8 | professor at the U.S. Naval Academy, senior fellow at the Center for a New American Security |
| 0:35.9 | and a member of both the Pentagon's |
| 0:37.7 | Defense Policy Board and the U.S. Navy's executive panel Foreign Policy Magazine twice, |
| 0:42.3 | named him one of the world's top 100 global thinkers. Welcome to Geopolitics and Empire, |
| 0:46.9 | Mr. Kaplan. It's a pleasure to be here with you. |
| 0:50.3 | Thanks for taking that time. I discovered, and I got one of your previous books in physical hard copy here, and I've |
| 0:57.3 | been reading your latest in the digital formats, and it's got a lot of depth. |
| 1:04.1 | It's rich. |
| 1:04.9 | It's a park travel diary. |
| 1:07.1 | It's a history book. |
| 1:08.5 | It's international relations, a little bit of everything. |
| 1:11.8 | What came to mind for me was, I think it was last year, the EU's Guy Verhofstadt, said that we were living in a new age of empires. |
| 1:20.8 | He said the EU is an empire. |
| 1:22.9 | Of course, America is an empire. |
| 1:24.3 | Russia is an empire. |
| 1:26.5 | India and China is an empire. And you saw your book |
| 1:29.2 | discussing talking about the Uyghurs and China's Belt and Road initiative. You also end the |
| 1:34.8 | book discussing China and the world island of McKinder. And you say that China's treatment of the |
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