Robert Kagan on 'The Jungle Grows Back: America and Our Imperiled World'
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🗓️ 29 September 2018
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On Wednesday, Brookings Senior Fellow Robert Kagan sat down with Susan Glasser of The New Yorker to discuss Kagan's new book The Jungle Grows Back: America and Our Imperiled World. In the book, Kagan argues that, like the jungle that keeps growing back, dangerous global actors, when left unchecked, will create chaos. Kagan and Glasser discussed whether the American public tends to support foreign policy that focuses on international withdrawal or unilateral intervention, whether the Trump foreign policy will enable faster growth of dangerous actors, and whether the America of 2018 has parallels to the U.S. in the 1920s or 1930s.
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| 0:30.0 | I prefer the analogy with the 20s, because for me, the 2016 election looks like nothing so much as the 1920 election. |
| 0:42.0 | Then the only difference being we then you got Warren Harding, and now you have Donald Trump. |
| 0:47.0 | But the impulses and the almost revolutionary nature of the election were very similar. |
| 0:55.0 | It was a tremendous reaction against internationalism. |
| 0:59.0 | A perception that we got in the way too far involved. |
| 1:03.0 | The results people decided, although I'm not sure I know why, but I know why, but I don't agree. |
| 1:09.0 | But anyway, the results people decided were terrible, and so the war was a terrible mistake, and so we're out. |
| 1:15.0 | You had that reaction. You also had a reaction against what had been a long period of increasing immigration. |
| 1:21.0 | And you had the most draconian anti-immigration sentiment ever, and the most draconian immigration law passed in 1924. |
| 1:31.0 | And you also had the beginnings of or the resurgence of protectionism in the United States. |
| 1:38.0 | I'm Michaela Fogel, and this is the LawFair podcast September 29, 2018. |
| 1:44.0 | On Wednesday, Brookings Senior Fellow Robert Kagan sat down with Susan Glasser of the New Yorker to discuss Kagan's new book, The Jungle Grows Back, America and Our Imparaled World. |
| 1:55.0 | In the book, Kagan argues that, like the jungle that keeps growing back, dangerous global actors, one left unchecked, will create chaos. |
| 2:03.0 | Kagan and Glasser discussed whether the American public tends to support foreign policy that focuses on international withdrawal or unilateral intervention, |
| 2:12.0 | whether the Trump foreign policy will enable faster growth of dangerous actors, and whether the America of 2018 has parallels to the US in the 1920s or 1930s. |
| 2:23.0 | It's the LawFair podcast Episode 351, Robert Kagan on The Jungle Grows Back, America and Our Imparaled World. |
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