Hi and welcome to the working songwriter, the show where today's best songwriters come to talk shop.

I'm your host, Joe Pug.

Each episode here, we host a distinguished guest,

and we ask them to go deep on their inspiration, on their process,

on the general ups and downs of making a life in music.

So, whether you're a grizzled veteran, finally giving up and agreeing to have your voice

auto-tuned, or else a scrappy upstart.

Spending more time learning to use auto-tune software than learning to play guitar, this is

your show.

Because ultimately, it is what every writer seeks most, an ironclad excuse to put off actually writing.

Hey, everybody, it's the first Friday of March 2021, and I thank you for joining us.

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