I always used to tell people if you get a name for yourself the money comes so you don't have to worry about that.

I found out since that that's a...

There's a little problem with that logic.

This is death, sex, and money.

I don't want to die at James Franco's house.

The show from WNYC about the things we think about a lot.

Your relationships are the heaviest components in your life.

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It's a matter of money.

I'm Anna Sale.

Singer-songwriter Robert Earl Keene has been with his wife Kathleen for 30 years.

When we first got married and we were living in Nashville,

this woman said, I gave you six months,

you know, and I said, you know, you don't know me.

It's not like that for me.

That tenacity to stick things out and hold on even when they

get hard has served Robert Earl Keene well over the years in family and in his

career in part because his story songs never really found a home on

country radio. I'm truly an outlier. There's no other way to describe me, but a true outlier.

And it allows me a great deal of freedom at the same time.

There's a great deal of frustration of not being able, fit in the country club sometimes. dream don't have to do. We ask the world wait. We can celebrate a gringle on

him. He's made his career by steady touring. At 59 years old he still plays about 120

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