Robert Draper On GOP Radicals

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Andrew Sullivan

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🗓️ 18 November 2022

⏱️ 86 minutes

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Summary

Robert is a writer-at-large for the New York Times Magazine and a contributing writer for National Geographic. He is the author of several books, including Dead Certain: The Presidency of George W. Bush, and his new one is Weapons of Mass Delusion: When the Republican Party Lost Its Mind. He’s a friend and a prodigiously productive reporter who truly seems intent in finding out the truth — rather than spinning some ideological tale. And he was there on January 6.

For two clips of our convo — on the MAGA supporters falling away from Trump, and on the rise of Majorie Taylor Greene — pop over to our YouTube page. Other topics: the midterms, Trump vs. DeSantis, the epistemological collapse within our media bubbles, Tea Party hatred of moderate Obama, the growing diversity of GOP voters, our disagreement over the impact of CRT in schools, George W. Bush and the One Percent Doctrine, and the sheer careerism of GOP politicians.

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0:00.0	The Hi there. Welcome to another dish cast. It's just after the elections. We're all kind of absorbing
0:35.7	the fact that the red wave turned into the red wedding.
0:40.6	And in the words of Ben Shapiro, actually, who was among the many conservative commentators
0:46.8	who surprisingly really didn't really have much to say in defense of Donald J. Trump this week.
0:53.1	The other guy I watched, this complete
0:54.5	psycho, which my guest today may well know of, a man called Kurt Schlichter. He's my go-to man
1:01.6	every time Trump's like, because I figured if he loses Kurt Schlichter, it's over. And sure enough,
1:09.0	he's almost lost Kurt Schlichter this week, which is really quite a turnaround.
1:13.6	A couple of program notes, I just want to thank you for listening.
1:17.6	I don't do that often enough.
1:19.6	A recent guest just wrote me another email, and I get this for almost every guest I have on here to say,
1:24.6	I had no idea all my friends listen to your podcast, which is the sweetest
1:28.7	compliment. And I want to thank you and thank you for supporting the dish and I hope you can
1:32.5	subscribe at the weekly dish. And what better time to talk about the Republican Party, its future,
1:41.1	its past, its recent past in particular, than Robert Draper, who is in
1:47.1	the studio today. It's rare that we get to actually have one in the studio. And he is, if you
1:54.6	didn't know, a writer at large for the New York Times Magazine, a contributing writer for
1:59.1	National Geographic.
2:05.3	He's the author of several books, including Dead Certain, the presidency of George W. Bush,
2:08.6	and his latest, which came out just before the election,
2:14.6	the weapons of mass delusion, when the Republican Party lost its mind.
2:25.1	Not how, not if, when. And that was in, I think, in the aftermath of January 6th, because, welcome, Rob. Thank you for having me. That was kind of one of the interesting things
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