You know, Topkin had been around, aggressors, Red Flag, all those things are in place right now.

But what they didn't have is they didn't have the real thing.

And the Air Force had had a handful, and when I say a handful, three airplanes, they had a

make 21, two make 17s early on, have donut, have drill, the programs, things like that.

But they were really on the test side of the Air Force, Air Force Systems Command back

in the day.

And they did some exploitation, but, you know, it never really translated over to TAC or the,

you know, the Navy.

So in the halls of the Pentagon in the mid-late 70s, you know, people had been talking for years. Hey, they knew they had a handful of migs. Wouldn't be cool if we get a real squatter. Our entire sticks really few. We're only for 11.0-0-0-0-0-5. Click-off. Seatide. Out-to-0-0-ey're clear for takeoff. Clear for the airspace. By project 2. I'm sorry. On my background, Kerp, 3-54-6. Turn it. That's on. Next, a picture. 16. 13,000. Argue. So, everyone. Z, man, it's good to see you again. It's been a minute. It's been a little bit,

rain, but thanks for staying in contact and glad to be here. Yeah, absolutely. So today,

I'm excited. We're going to dig into a little bit of the book that you finally published. Last

time we did this, you were in the midst of writing it and i was

fortunate because you got to send me different chapters as you were going along which i really

appreciated and not to make you feel good about yourself or whatever but i will say not only is

the red eagle is a very fascinating topic i think think most people who aren't familiar with that,

we'll dive that at a minute.

When I was reading the chapters,

you do a very good job, at least for me,

it's like I can feel like I'm sitting in the cockpit.

Sometimes we were describing the rejoins and things like that.

So I really enjoyed that and made me feel like I was there. And I think that's a

that's the best compliment I can give when it comes to reading a book. Because, man, I felt like I was

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