ID, The Future, a podcast about evolution and intelligent design.

Welcome to ID The Future. I'm your host, Eric Anderson, and today I'm pleased to have back on our show, Rob Stadler. Welcome, Rob.

Hey, Eric, good to see you again. Good to be here. Yeah, you too as well.

I feel like we ought to be talking about Origin of Life since that's one of our favorite topics.

I was just out in, actually with Brian Miller, several days ago out of BYU.

He was giving a talk on Origin of Life.

And shout out to all the students and the physics faculty there. We had a great

experience and it was great to meet everybody. And there's been a lot in the last, even a couple of

weeks in the news about Origin of Life. So we'll have to come back to that one of these days, but I know

we've got another fun topic today. So for those of you, those of you who aren't familiar with Rob,

Rob's got a tremendous background. We've given it before. I won't spend time on it now, but he's

got a list of patents longer than your arm and a lot of great experience in background. And he's also

written a book that talks about evidence and what makes for good science, what makes for poor science.

And that's what we're going to really focus on today. So I'm excited to get into it with you,

Rob. Yeah, thanks, Eric. So, so tell us, tell us a little background. How did you come to

thinking about this topic and, and what's your approach to this?

Yeah, well, I have 30 years of experience as a scientist in medical devices.

And we as a country and pretty much in the world now, we require that anything that is a medical device,

anything for sale as a medical product,

has to be going through a regulatory process

where they want to see evidence that's safe and effective.

And because your life depends on things like this,

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