Hi, my name is Todd Adams.

And this is Kathy Adams.

Welcome back to another episode of Zen Parenting Radio.

This is podcast number 513.

Why listen to Zen Parenting Radio?

Because you'll feel outstanding and who does it want to feel outstanding.

And always remember our motto, which is that the best predictor of a child's well-being is a parent's self-understanding. On today's show, we have a special guest.

His name is Mr. Rob Bell. We met up with Rob on Friday night. He was in town doing his

introduction to Joy tour, and he gave us about a half an hour. So what you're going to hear on this

podcast is our interview with him. So this is just our quick little intro. So sweetie, for those of,

for those of the folks who don't know who Rob is, who is Rob? So Rob has a podcast called the Robcast

that's been around for several years that I highly, highly recommend. I don't know if you already

said this, but Rob was our keynote speaker at our Zen Parenting

Conference like 2017, and he did this amazing talk all about parenting, but it was bigger than that.

It was really just about the world and architecture.

He connected the dots in a way that I was pretty amazed by.

And he also has what is the Bible is one of his books,

How to Be Here, the ZimZum of Love that he wrote with his wife.

He's just a really wise man, and he sees things with a really wide lens,

which is why Todd and I continue to follow him and learn from him,

and we feel lucky to know him. So that will be today's show.

Yeah. But one thing I wanted to tell you guys before we launch into that interview with Robb is that

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