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For The Love With Jen Hatmaker Podcast

Road Trippin with Jen + Tyler Merritt: On Grief, Midlife, Creativity, and the Unexpected Stories That Save Us

For The Love With Jen Hatmaker Podcast

Jen Hatmaker

Relationships, Society & Culture

4.66.3K Ratings

🗓️ 26 November 2025

⏱️ 40 minutes

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Summary

Description: In this special Road Tripping episode, Jen invites her partner, actor/activist/author Tyler Merritt, to join her live after a last-minute schedule pivot. What unfolds is a night of honesty, hilarity, vulnerability, and deep connection. Jen reads two scenes from Awake—one from the earliest days of shock and grief, and one from the chaotic, hilarious adventure of dating again at midlife. She shares the moment her body finally allowed her to grieve, the unexpected relief that followed, and how storytelling helped rebuild her life from the inside out. Tyler joins her onstage and opens up about his own journey: discovering creativity as a kid in a sports household, what midlife has taught him, how his rare cancer diagnosis reshaped his priorities, and how their love story began on a night in New York City neither saw coming. He and Jen talk candidly about walking through illness together, finding joy even in hard seasons, and why Awake speaks to all genders—not just women. This episode is tender, funny, surprising, and deeply human—a reminder that grief can crack us open in ways that eventually let the light back in. ★ “My body bypassed my mind and gave itself the gift of grief.” — Jen Hatmaker (reading from Awake) ★ “If creativity is in you, you can’t get rid of it. It will find its way out.” — Tyler Merritt (on discovering his storytelling voice) ★ “Middle age shortens your alphabet — you just have fewer Fs to give.” — Tyler Merritt (describing midlife clarity) ★ “You don’t just get my story of cancer — you get yours, because you chose to love me.” — Tyler Merritt (on his cancer journey and their relationship) ★ “Some of the hardest things you’ve ever been through? You made it. You’re still here.” — Tyler Merritt (reflecting on resilience and survival) ➢ Awake: A Memoir by Jen Hatmaker - https://amzn.to/4rjitZ7➢ This Changes Everything: A Surprisingly Funny Story About Race, Cancer, Faith, and Other Things We Don’t Talk About by Tyler Merritt – https://amzn.to/4ilNtnh➢ Simple Habit meditation app (referenced in the grief scene) - https://www.simplehabit.com/➢ Corey Muscara (meditation guide Jen listened to) – https://corymuscara.com/➢ The Tyler Merritt Project – https://thetylermerrittproject.com/➢ Waitress: The Musical (where Jen and Tyler first met) – https://waitressthemusical.com/ Website – https://thetylermerrittproject.com/Instagram – https://www.instagram.com/thetylermerrittproject/Twitter – https://x.com/ttmprojectFacebook – https://www.facebook.com/thetylermerrittprojectYouTube – https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPB48_JfK-VMnYQPTYyMX5Q Jen’s Website – https://jenhatmaker.com/Jen’s Instagram – https://instagram.com/jenhatmakerJen’s Twitter – https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/Jen’s Facebook – https://facebook.com/jenhatmakerJen’s YouTube – https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker The For the Love Podcast is presented by Audacy. Thought-provoking Quotes:Resources Mentioned in This Episode:Guest’s Links:Connect with Jen! To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hi, friends, it's Jen Hatmaker here, and welcome to a very special On-the-Rode edition of For the Love.

0:14.4

This fall, I've been crisscrossing the country, for real, on the awake book tour.

0:19.8

I've met tons of you in person, and I have sat down

0:26.2

with some of my absolute favorite people, friends, thought leaders, comedians, all these brilliant

0:32.5

humans. This fall, I've been crisscrossing the country on the awake book tour, meeting so many of you in person.

0:40.6

Oh my gosh, I love you so much.

0:42.6

And getting to sit next to some of my favorite people, my friends, thought leaders, comedians

0:48.3

for honest, funny, meaningful conversations.

0:53.0

I just knew I had to share with you. These are the kind of talks

0:58.6

that happen backstage, frankly, like in hotel lobbies over all these late night snacks. This

1:04.2

is the stuff that reminds me how much I love the people I get to do life and work with. So buckle up because we're taking the show

1:12.6

on the road. Let's dive in.

1:20.7

So yesterday I'm home in between a whole bunch of stuff and I've got a thousand things to do.

1:26.3

One thousand things to do on a weekday

1:28.2

that all had to be shelved. But I don't know if you have heard. But I have a baby. And I have a grandson.

1:45.5

And he's four weeks old.

1:48.7

And I, this is my whole personality now.

1:54.7

Do you know what I mean?

1:56.1

Someone in the community named me.

1:58.2

I came to my son, and I said, I'm still working out my

2:01.6

grandma name. And he's like, why can't you just be grandma? And I said, listen,

2:06.3

let me tell you something. I love you. I do. You are my first born child. You mean a lot to me.

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