Hi, Bill Crystal, editor at large of the bulwark here. Very pleased to be joined today by Congressman Roe Kana, who's had a very busy weekend and is taking another half hour out of it here late in the afternoon Sunday, away from his family on the weekend before Christmas. I feel bad, actually, doing this. I don't feel that bad. I feel a little bit bad, you know. Always enjoy chatting.

It's good to talk to you.

Thank you for taking the time because, sorry, I have a cough,

because it's so important and I really appreciate it.

So 48 hours ago, the Justice Department started to release the documents that it was mandated to do by the legislation that you and Tom Massey spearheaded and the

discharge petition and then the legislation. What have you learned? I mean, both about, I guess,

the Epstein case, but also about the Trump administration's attitude towards it.

Well, the problem is that we haven't learned enough. I mean, they basically did not provide the documents

that are most relevant. That is the 60 count indictment that was drafted and shelved. Epstein was only

charged on two counts. There's a draft indictment of 60 counts. They didn't provide that. They

didn't provide the prosecution memo.

In fact, the law was explicitly drafted saying we want decisions of communication about whether to

charge or not. We want internal communications precisely to cover those documents that they have not

provided. They had excessive redactions. They have not provided the FBI files. In one case, they

leaked accidentally the name of a survivor, but did not release the FBI files, which she has

been trying to see for years. And so then this morning, Massey and I went on Face the Nation and said,

we're going to hold Pambanian Bondi an inherent contempt, and we've got

Republicans ready to do that as well, and find her every day after a 30-day grace period if she

doesn't release the documents. And suddenly you started to see, you know, that Justice Department's

been scrambling all day. Now they put out the 119-page document without redactions or with minimal redactions.

They're saying there are more documents that are coming.

So they're obviously scrambling.

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