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Hello and welcome to Decoder. I'm Neely Patel, editor-in-chief The Verge, and Decoder is my show about big ideas and other problems.

Today I'm talking with Wissim Ben-Sayett, the chief software officer at Rivian and the co-CEO of RIVAN's platform joint venture with Volkswagen, which everyone just calls RV Tech.

But that joint venture kicked off about a year and a half ago with a nearly $6 billion

investment from Volkswagen, and it effectively puts Wissim in charge of the operating

system and electrical architecture for every future EV from Volkswagen and its associated

brands, including familiar names like Audi, but also new companies like Scout.

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