Hello and welcome back to Close Reeds here on the Circe Institute Podcast Network.

I am David Kern and I am joined for this episode of Close Reeds by Heidi White, who some

of you have gotten to know in the last few weeks of Close Reads.

And I am also joined by our friend Jonathan Rogers.

So welcome to the show for the first time, Mr. Jonathan Rogers and welcome, Heidi.

Thanks for joining me.

Oh, so glad to be here.

Oh, thanks, David.

As we kind of transition into some of the new things that we're doing, we're going to be,

you know, bringing, like I said in the last episode, we're going to be bringing in some new voices. Well, I guess the voices aren't new, but they're new to the show,

some new contributors to participate in the conversation. And I am very excited that Jonathan

Rogers has, he's willing to, just kind of stoop to our level and and participate in these

conversations so you've you've listened to the show before though right yeah okay and i think

you've been on all right well thank you except the banter fair enough all right moving on so right

into Robert van winkle um well Jonathan ro, Jonathan Rogers, for those of you who don't know, I'm going to give a little bit of background.

The first thing that I'm going to say is that he is the author of some fantastic books, all kinds of books, actually.

You've probably heard us talk about his biography of Flannery O'Connor.

It's called a spiritual biography.

Is that what the subtitle was?

Yeah, right, a spiritual.

So, yeah, terrible speed of mercy is a title.

And subtitle is a spiritual biography of Planoery O'Connor.

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