And soo that's... Hello and welcome to this week's edition of Ringside To Toe to Toe.

If you're new to it, we are a boxing podcast exclusive to Sky Sports.

I'm at Draper in the other corner, corner as ever my sparring partner Spencer

Fereon Spencer welcome we have a very special guest the

well that sounds it's not it's not special he's beyond special

seriously they've called that compliment yeah he'd be on's but is beyond special. Seriously, Dave Kewell.

Is that compliment?

Dave Kewell gave a talk to the kids at Sky Academy.

Yeah. Moving, moving.

He just touched everybody.

So you should be a preacher.

He's not a time of day.

It is Dave Caldwell.

We'll give him his name because people are listening at home thinking,

who's he talking about?

It's Dave Caldwell, former fighter, promoter, manager trainer.

It's a CV almost comparable to Spencer's in terms of your roles in boxing.

What are you focusing on at the moment and how are you doing?

Do you know what, I'm juggling all three?

Yeah.

Mainly managing and training, you know, the training side of things is taking up a lot of time.

Managing, I love plotting kids careers and you know, why we're going to go next and you know so that takes a lot

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