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welcome to this week's edition of Ringside To Toa Boxing Podcast,

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I'm joined by Spencer Feren and and also Matthew Mackin good to see you Matthew

looking well despite retirement you haven't put on too much way you look as

if you're still staying in the gym? Yeah pretty much than

ticking over just nothing no particular routine or goals to training just

just looking after myself staying in some kind of shape. Fighters talk about retiring, how difficult those first couple of years are.

How are you making the adjustment to life outside the ring?

It's strange really because, I mean boxing for me was probably the be-all and end all I thought that I might be one of those who struggle with it severely because it was it took up

You know even the days when I wasn't training you're thinking you're scheming your pla and you're watching other fighters in your weight to you know wake out of

greeting all if he beats him I might get the winner

etc etc but um no I think maybe you know it'd been on my mind probably for

three years so I think you know I don't off but I think the you

know the dipping performances probably was a reflection that I didn't really want it anymore

you know and then I wake up one day and think no I do and I can get that form back and I'll go, I could beat him and, you know, that kind of thing would be happening.

But I think with the, the Rose, with the well-born fight, I kind of had to really ask myself some on his questions.

I'd probably focus mostly on making weight,

having that weight for, I think, nine or ten years.

So then when the Brian Rose fight Garford to me, I thought, yeah, you know, this is the right sort of fight.

It'll show me what, if I've still got it, you know, it's a proper fight.

It's on a good stage that, you know, I thought if I'm not the fighter I was or I think I'll

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