Hello and welcome into the Ringerverse, your nexus feed for all things fandom.

I am Ben Lindberg, senior editor at The Ringer and Buttmash host, joined as always by friendly

Docs and Grumkin. We are your hosts here at Ringaverse Recommends,

and we are bringing you the December 2025 edition, the final Ringaverse Recommends of the year.

As you can see, if you're watching this episode, I'm not in my normal location. We are upstate.

I set up by the window so that you could appreciate the picturesque background behind me.

This is not fake, people. This is all real. It is actually snowing lightly. The snow has accumulated on the branches of the trees. This is what's waiting for me after I finish podcasting. Priorities people. Podcasting comes first always. And we've got a good one for you today.

Because we're traveling, because so many of the other Ringerverson House of Our hosts are

traveling or taking some time off, and because this is a light nerd culture content month,

we are eschewing our typical format, the cavalcade of recommendation clips.

That'll be back in January.

But this month, we are going with a single spotlight conversation about pluribus,

featuring me and your friend in mine, Van Lathen.

We have been itching to talk about this show, the latest from Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul

creator Vince Gilligan.

It wrapped up earlier this month on Apple TV.

By the way, last month's recommendation on Ringiverse recommends, it, welcome to Dairy.

Finished Strong.

So do check that out and catch up if you haven't yet.

But also catch up on Pluribus and enjoy our conversation about it.

It's a fascinating, thought-provoking,

profound philosophical show, but it's also provoked some pretty polarized reactions, and we will get

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