Hello and welcome to the TIFO football podcast. I'm Joe Devine. And today I'm delighted to be joined by John McKenzie.

Hello, Joe. How's it going? Good. We've just done a double header. That's right. And you're saying that because this is part two of the special mini-series written by Daniel Taylor, the article about Brian Clough.

The headline being The Remarkable Tale of Two Boys,

who went begging for pennies and ended up living with Brian Clough.

Now, this episode is a Ring for Analysis episode.

Here's how Ring for Analysis works.

I read an article published by The Athletic,

and John rings a little bell that sounds like

this when he wants to do some analysis. Today is part two. So if you're listening to this and you

haven't listened to part one, I mean, you're welcome to stay. It might be a bit confusing. It might

be best to pop back and listen to part one first. But John, we complete the story today and what other things

do we get up to discussing?

Yeah, I think we got a bit more into the complexity of the Brian Clough character in this,

in this part of the episode, this episode, yeah, second part of the episode.

Look at you go, a professional broadcaster, yeah.

And we talk a lot about how Brian Clough has a mastery of language and words. And persuasion and communication, yeah, yeah, yeah. And we talk a lot about how Brian Clough has a mastery of language and words.

And persuasion and communication. Yeah, yeah, that's mainly what we talked about. What were the

takeaways for you from this one? We told a story about Justin Faschonu. We also, we do a little

sort of quiz about UK comedy based on a you goov poll that you found that I just can't believe.

And then we always talk about the UK version of Saturday Night Live as well.

That comes up in this conversation in reference to a description of Ronnie Rinaldi.

Ronnie Rinaldi or Ronnie Rinaldo.

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