Hello and welcome to the TIFO football podcast.

I'm Joe Devine.

And today, I'm delighted to be joined by John McKenzie.

Hello, Joe.

All right, how's it going?

I'm good, thanks.

Well, welcome to Ring for Analysis.

Do you know what we do here, John?

I do.

Should I tell you anyway?

Yeah, tell me, tell me.

This is Ring for Analysis, the podcast series where I read an article published by The Athletic,

and John rings a little bell that sounds like this,

when he wants me to pause so that he can offer some analysis.

And it's very exciting.

What are we talking about today, John?

Well, we're talking all about John Terry today, Joe.

We're going to talk about why his coaching career maybe hasn't followed the sort of trajectory he might have expected at the end of his playing career and explain some of the reasons behind that.

Yeah, okay.

As well as some controversy that he's got himself into recently with some Instagram liking. That's what it's called, isn't it? Social media etiquette. Social media etiquette, yeah. Here's other things we talk about on today's episode. John's poor Mike etiquette. That comes up. We went on quite a long detour near the beginning, didn't we, about which footballers, which positions on the

pitch make the best coaches later? We make a case for different positions. What else do we touch

on? What did we touch on? We did a quiz, didn't we, on how many trophies that John Terry has

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