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Find face-off wherever you get your podcasts. You're going to be. What's going on everyone? Welcome to another episode of Bro history. It's Henry Zamoda and my guest my good friend Jose Nino. What's up man? How are you?

All right, I'm doing great Henry. Thank you for having me on again.

Yeah, I appreciate it.

Danny is out today. He is traveling.

It is Friday at 745 Eastern Standard time. So Jose, I wanted you to come on today and I was telling

you before just because I'm personally trying to analyze what is going on in the world right now.

And I'm honestly very conflicted all the times.

I usually wake up feeling one way and I go to sleep feeling the other way.

I basically wake up and I'm like a completely late like a laissez-faire

Libertarian in the morning. I'm like oh live, live and let live. We're all going to get by.

Like all we need to do is just get along. And by the time I go to bed, I'm like,

man, I think the National Guard's going to come have to come in and like start putting war hawks in jail and that's kind of where I'm at and I think a lot of people are at but before we get into this I want want to ask you about your political evolution,

because since I've met you, I feel like you've kind of had a change in, I don't know,

philosophy or opinion, or just like kind of an evolution and you know how you think about politics

But let me get your your take on

Yesterday Joe Biden's

Joe Biden's speech.

For me, that looks, it's like the embodiment

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