I'm really interested in the subject of conversion, religious conversion, but also political conversion.

So what makes people who are diehard Democrats who are on the left suddenly see the light and begin to move over into the conservative camp?

I'll talk about that.

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What causes the process of political conversion? Some people call it red-pilling, but it's the idea that you've been a lifelong leftist and Democrat and then you begin to see the light.

Well, there's a remarkable article about this written by a guy named Lee Leibovitz. It's called The Turn.

It appears in Tablet magazine. You can look it up. I recommend the full article, but he begins by talking about how when he was a young guy, he says,

you know, he believed the truth and justice kind of point you to the left.

He says, if you're a caring human being, you want to help the less fortunate.

You know, you can't help them all the way, but you'd like to help them at least some of the way.

And he goes, and how else do you do that if you're not on the left if you're not some kind of a Democrat?

And he goes, besides, even if the Democrats are doing some things that are wrong or that fall short,

he goes on the other side of these horrible conservatives and they just don't care.

And so this guy, Lee Leibovitz, was sort of raised and marinated in this kind of doctrine.

He says, we felt we were on the right side of history. We always felt that the future belongs to us.

And he goes, this pathway took me to a lot of success. He goes, I was a young socialist.

I went to Columbia University and he says, not only did I have this kind of intellectual sense that I was the sophisticated one, the intelligent one,

but I got all kinds of social benefits. He's like, I was invited to all kinds of dinner parties on the upper west side.

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