This is right now with Perry Bacon presented by the DSR Network.

I'm Perry Bacon. I'm the host of New Republic show right now. We're talking today on this is the last day. Stephen Colbert will be hosting his show on CBS because CBS decided to cancel it. So we're talking to

Meredith Conroy. She's a professor of political science at the Cal State University of San Bernardino,

and she's an expert on media and politics and the intersection of media and politics. So I want

to talk to her about kind of late night TV and its role in politics. So Meredith, welcome back. Thanks. Great to be here. So I want to sort of go through a few, what I'm going to call, kind of almost a history of kind of seminal moments of late night TV and politics. And so rather than ask you questions, I'm going to sort of go through the moment and describe it, how I saw it and then have you react to it.

Because I think you and I, we're in the same age range. I'm not aging you, but we're in the same range.

We probably have some of the same cultural references. So we'll do it that way. Okay, that sounds great.

All right.

So I'm going to start with like 1992.

This is kind of the, a lot of people in communications and politics say this is kind of the big moment when late night becomes a part of politics on some level.

And this is when President Clinton is running in 1992.

And he goes on the Arsenio Hall.

Arsenio Hall was a late night, Tasha hosts.

He's African America.

I think it's relevant with this conversation.

And so Bill Clinton goes on and plays the saxophone. And I mean, it's in a moment where he's, he appears more natural and he appears very charismatic and it's sort of casual. And it's the first time, I think a major candidate has been on one of those shows. And I know it was a big moment because my mom mentioned it to me yesterday.

We were talking about politicians she viewed as charismatic and maybe handsome even.

And she mentioned Bill Clinton when he was running and playing the saxophones.

This really resonated even like years and years later.

So do you, did you watch this?

So talking about this.

Talk about the Arsenio Hall and Bill Clinton, which I don't, which I did not watch because

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