Welcome back to Sotriology 101. Today we're going to listen to a conversation between Dr. John

Piper and Dr. Rick Warren. Rick Warren is more known for his purpose-driven life material. He's a very,

what some would call a seeker-sensitive type of church pastor, much different than what I think

a lot of people consider John

Piper. John Piper is much more of a theologian, whereas you'd see Rick Warren maybe as a more

of a practitioner. And the reason I picked out this particular interview, one is its popularity.

It's got thousands and thousands of views on several different websites. And another reason is that Rick

Warren, I think, really represents here in this conversation where I see a lot of pastors and

lay folks with regard to this particular conversation. And it's this kind of this feeling of,

you know, I want to get along with what, with you and whatever you kind of say,

I'm going to be pretty agreeable with what you're saying because I'm going to be conciliatory.

And it comes across to me that Rick Warren is not Calvinistic, but that he is trying to be as

conciliatory and as, as nice as possible in his conversation with

John here, John Piper here. And in doing so, I think he steps into blatant contradictions,

which we'll look at, where he pretty much just makes claims that absolutely are two blanket

contradictions, because in his effort to try to maintain, I think, what he typically holds

sociologically and what he's trying to do in being consideratory with John Piper, makes his

theological worldview out to be mush. And a lot of people are very critical of those of us who try to clearly delineate where

we stand theologically because they see that as being divisive.

And it's not trying to be divisive.

Being clear is not the same as being divisive, okay?

Being very particular

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