Hello, you awakening wonders.

Welcome to the Stay Free podcast where I have an in-depth conversation with great and influential thinkers, with wild and fluid minds on previous shows.

We spoke to Tim Robbins, MIA, Duncan Trussell, Eckhart Toll, Jordan Peterson, and today we're speaking to the legendary record producer Rick Rubin,

who's of course worked with Jay-Z, Johnny Cash, run DMC, Adele, the chili peppers, Beastie Boys, Eminem.

He's got a new book called The Creative Act, A Way of Being.

How's it going, Rick?

Good.

Can you hear me? Can you? Hello, hello. I can hear you.

I can appreciate you. It's going in and out. Do you have any experience operating audio

equipment and recording vocals, Rick? Do you think you'll be able to handle this? Right. Well, what

it does is the vibrations, as I understand, are travelling down a little pipe.

Now, within there are these signifiers formulated in a pre-agreed set of semantic terms

that you and I can use to convey complex and simple ideas.

But we will never know for sure that the intended image that I'm trying to

convey is accurately recreated in your mind, Rick. That is one of the risks of communication.

Understood, I'm with you on that. How do we ever know that we're not merely islands adrift in this

cosmos? Do we brush against one another occasionally? Yes, we are islands adrift in this cosmos. Do we brush against one another occasionally?

Yes, we are islands adrift in this cosmos.

On occasion, something resists.

You might say something, and it lights up something in me,

and I think I know what that means,

and it may have nothing to do with what you said,

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