Hey everybody, lots of stuff happening in politics.

Don't know if you noticed, so we've got some new folks listening.

On Wednesdays, I try to have step back conversations,

and a bigger picture about either policy or ideology or history,

because over on the next level feed we're doing just the rank

punditry the political gossip all that stuff you're looking for so if you want

that head over to the next level feed for me Sarah and JVL every Wednesday.

Today I've got Rick Perlstein, one of the most incisive writers

about the history of the conservative movement coming from a left perspective.

So, you know, we hash out a few disagreements, but his understanding and grasp with the history of

the movement is really unparalleled from somebody that comes from outside a

conservative world so I think it's a very valuable conversation that ties

directly to everything in the news right now project 2025 potential for a Nixon style backlash to a

Chicago convention much to discuss so on the other side stick around for Rick

Perlstein.

All right, I'm back with a great Rick Perlstein, journalist and historian is the author of a four-volume series on the history of America's political and cultural divisions, particularly on the right and the rise of movement conservatism from the 1950s to Ronald Reagan.

Yeah, he wrote the famed Nixon land,

now writes the American prospect.

What's going on, man?

Been wanting to do this for a while.

It's pleasure to be here, Tim.

I'm a fan. Some of my old conservative friends don't like. Let's keep that on. a to kind of have a big picture convo with you about you know the arc of conservatism

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