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Progressive Casualty Insurance Company and Affiliates. Hey everybody it's Joe Trippy and welcome back to a special guest episode of That Trippy Show.

Today we're talking to Rick Hasen,

a professor of law and political science

at the UC Irvine School of Law,

where he is the co-director of the Fair Elections and Free Speech Center.

He also runs the Election Law blog, which is a really great resource on all things election-related. We'll put a link to that in our in our show notes.

But I want to call out a book I read of his election meltdown. I think it came out in 2020, which really impacted how I started to think about

what was going on.

But his new book, Cheap Speech, How Disinformation Poisons Our Politics and How to Cure

It, to Came Out Recently, I think is in a lot of ways there one very timely but but scary

Rick welcome to the show and I, why the, why the name Cheap Speech?

Sure, well, it's great to be with you and I should say that the term Cheap Speech didn't

originate with me.

It actually originated with another law professor, a First Amendment scholar named Eugene

Volick, and he was writing back in the 1990s.

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