People experience fame and fortune at different speeds and do different things with their lives. So the element of man's... Core changes, man. And you know, think about a lot of indie people. They think playing too good is a bad thing. Too good is a bad thing, man. That's what going is. The Sambo about. That's like what he's talking about. That's like what he's talking about. That's like what he's talking about. That's like what he's talking about. The Sambores. The Sambores. The Sambores. The Sambores. The Sambores. The Sambores. The Sambores. The, we're talking songwriting. School. All right. Let's jump in here. Young William Patrick Organ stays out all night at the then the what was it called back then? Rosemont, Horizon. Right by Ohio hair in Chicago. 1984 I think was the year. Wow. Well, it's a happy sound in the room, wouldn the year because We'll get there Yes, no tour. No, no one of the best right Well, every time so I stay out all night and I get my scorpions tickets. I'm 14th row But I make sure I see the opening band because they have hit on Chicago radio called Runaway. And there you are. So that's the first time I saw you with 17 years old. Pretty cool, right? I would junk it. That's amazing. We would junk out dogs, man. I think you know, we're younger than you. They gave us 45 minutes to play. So it's like, yeah, head down. Yeah. And all you got, yeah, no breathing necessary in the whole thing. It's like, yeah, 45 minutes plus. Ooh, she's a little runaway. To the scorpions crowd. No, we got a lot of, small guns, you know, I mean, she got to wear a batting helmet. The scorpions crowded like this. It was so fun because it would be like nickels and cores and

tone on it.

Is it because they had a more of a hard rock crowd at that time? You think? I'm asking you. I mean, I was in the crowd. I wasn't talking anything. This is, man, you know, I was for a senior's old white kid from swamp my first concert. a black Sabbath man, you know. I

was I saw everybody what you're

GC Sabbath 75 so was seven. I was on the swamp my first concert was a black Sabbath, man, you know. I was, I saw everybody. What year did you see Sabbath? 75. So that was Sabbath, but he's Sabbath? Yeah. Great period of Sabbath. Oh, yeah, but I liked them from day one, you know. Yeah, I was a huge fan of the day one. You were, you were OG. So the time. But I was, you know what, I was lucky enough to have this train. I lived literally on a dead end street next to a swamp. But I used to cut through the swamp, and I could get to the train tunnel in about a minute and a half. OK. And it dropped me off from the station, and I'd get to the garden. Oh. I saw everyone. There was a recie. You're in the young. Who cost a mind?

Because I love this period of music. Queen, Led Zeppelin, Elden John, Pomegranate and Wings, the purple. You had a very big bowie. You had a very high standard of music. Right? Does it make sense when I'm saying it's like, as a musician, you go, if I'm going to do this, I'm gonna do this, I gotta be up in here.

Is not everybody has a high standard?

I come from the indie world and you know the thing about a lot of indie people They think playing too good is a bad thing Too good is a bad thing No, it was a different time It's's a hit. It's a hit.

It's a hit, ladies and gentlemen.

So there I am. And you know, you know, you know, how old were you? 17, 17. Oh, you were though. Older. I was playing guitar already. And you guys were good bands, you know. But I mean, there were a lot of good bands back then. Yeah. couldn't be a touring band at that point and not be pretty solid. Everybody could play

back that everybody was pretty good.

Did you have a sense at that early date that you guys were on this kind of jet stream because you know, it was absolutely. But you felt it. Oh, no. Tell me, tell me, because I always love this because you and I understand something that very few people understand. Is's that feeling where you're like, wow, this is going to work. Big time. Right. You feel it in your bones and you see it. Yeah. And here I realize. Right. Okay. So what were the things as a, as a, as this material? Yeah, I'm the obvious. You know, I really enjoy it. You know why? Because before that, I worked like crazy. Yeah, and I enjoyed it. You know why? Cause... Before that, I worked. Like, crazy. And I enjoyed it. I loved it. I still do. You know? I was in the studio for the last five days, like 10, 12 hours a day. I... Love it. Right. Completely. Yeah. Always dead. Well, you're okay. It kind of made sense, let me tell you something, because you may not know this, or maybe you do.

Do you know what your rep is with the alternative musicians? Who? Your reputation. Do you know what your rep is with alternative musicians? No. You have a very strong rep with alternative musicians. I do. You're very respected with the alternative community. That's fantastic. because they see you as a musician's musician.

Thank you.

You see what I'm saying?

We're a lot of the rock guys,

the alternative community. That's fantastic. Because they see you as a musician's musician.

Thank you.

You see what I'm saying? Thank you. We're a lot of the rock guys, the alternative community kind of go, too obvious, too lame, too cheesy. They want it too bad. You have a different rep in my world. Oh, that's beautiful. Because... I did not know that. Oh, yeah. Are you kidding? I didn't know you got a real rep because people understand where you're coming from.

Thank you.

You'll hear people like... Because... I did not know that thing. Oh yeah. Are you kidding? I didn't know.

You got a real rep because people understand where you're coming from.

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