Why does the term health care leave people feeling sick to their stomach? Maybe it's because instead

of being tied to health, the word seems to have a deeper connection to industries. At Catholic

Health Care, we're returning the word health care back to its former glory, because when

health care really cares, communities thrive, prevention is prioritized, and everyone has access to

care. Say it with me, health care. Sounds better

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I think we got obsessed with the notion of sin. Sin as a moral category, which immediately puts you in the lane

of judgment, reward, and punishment. Whereas if we had remained in the Jesus lane, we would have said

the issue is not sin,

but brokenness, the need for healing.

And there none of us can call ourselves saved.

I think the Spirit did that best,

clearest and most simply with the 12-step program, recognizing that addiction

is not a sin to be confessed, but a healing to be requested. Welcome to the spiritual life. I'm Father Jim Martin. On this podcast, we reflect on how

people experience God in their prayer and in their daily lives. And I am joined by my terrific

producer, Maggie Van Dorn. Maggie, good to be with you. It's wonderful to be here with you, Jim.

And I am so excited because you have a legendary guest on the show today.

We are very excited to be speaking with the amazing and the legendary Father Richard Roar.

Now, he may not need an introduction, but Maggie, can you introduce him for us?

I know.

So many people have asked, when are we speaking to Richard Roar?

And so here it is.

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