Hello, I'm Krestey Young, and this is a podcast from the Desert Island Discs archive.

For rights reasons, we've had to shorten the music.

The program was originally broadcast in 1999, and the presenter was Sue Lolly. My cast away this week is a jockey, acknowledged as the most complete jockey of his generation,

it's been said that he'd gallop over his own grandmother to win a race.

Luckily, there's been no need for that in a career which has seen him win the Grand National twice

as well as the Irish Grand National on Desert Orchid and hold the title of Champion Jockey

three times in the last six years.

He gave up his A levels to become a jockey and when a trainer took a chance on him at a Hereford meeting,

he won four races, launching a career in which even his greatest admirers admit his intensity and passion for winning

can be frightening. He is Richard Dunwoody.

Richard, it'll be your 15th Grand National on Saturday if you can't the one that didn't really happen.

Do you still get the same thrill of anticipation as you did the first time or does it fade?

I do so I'm really looking forward to the race.

The butterflies are starting to build and it's a great

race to ride in. You've got a great challenge. The 30 fences, 4.5 miles and it's

unique. Hasn't it got easier over the years because they've altered the jump?

It has got a little bit easier, about four or five of possibly more than that.

Years ago they made beaches a little bit easier. I was at the time against the changes.

But you like it tough. I prefer a little bit more of a challenge and fortunately for me actually if they hadn't

made the changes I think my second national winner would have probably fallen at

beaches as it was he actually went down on one knee. But I think it makes it less

likely that a real outsider wins. I mean we all

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