Richard Dawkins & Francis Collins Debate (Replay) + Clash with Richard Swinburne + New Big Conversation Episodes Reveal!

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🗓️ 25 August 2023

⏱️ 106 minutes

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We revisit a riveting dialogue from Season 4 of The Big Conversation, from 2022. With their diametrically opposed beliefs on the ideas around God's existence, Francis Collins, a geneticist who found faith in Christianity, and Richard Dawkins, renowned atheist author and evolutionary biologist debate biology, belief and COVID: can science and fight be reconciled? We also look at Dawkins' recent exchange with Christian philosopher Richard Swinburne, as a natural extension to some of the issues discussed with Francis Collins, and will also give you a sneak peek of an exhilarating two-parter coming up in Season 5 of The Big Conversation: a debate on a pressing contemporary topic! Register for early access to new Big Conversation episodes, as well as hours of exclusive video and ebook content - including the bonus clip of Dawkins and Collins discussing genetics: https://thebigconversation.show Watch the full "Mystery of Existence" discussion, featuring Dawkins and Swinburne: Part One: https://www.premierunbelievable.com/unbelievable/unbelievable-the-mystery-of-existence-why-is-there-something-rather-than-nothing-part-1-with-richard-dawkins-jessica-frazier-silvia-jonas-richard-swinburne-and-jack-symes/16076.article Part Two: https://www.premierunbelievable.com/unbelievable/unbelievable-the-mystery-of-existence-where-did-natural-environments-and-complex-organisms-came-from-part-2-with-richard-dawkins-jessica-frazier-silvia-jonas-richard-swinburne/16119.article For the book "Coming to Faith Through Dawkins": https://www.kregel.com/biography/coming-to-faith-through-dawkins/ • Subscribe to the Unbelievable? podcast: https://pod.link/267142101 • More shows, free eBook & newsletter: https://premierunbelievable.com • For live events: http://www.unbelievable.live • For online learning: https://www.premierunbelievable.com/training • Support us in the USA: http://www.premierinsight.org/unbelievableshow • Support us in the rest of the world: https://www.premierunbelievable.com/donate

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0:00.0	The Darwinian explanation so beautifully does away with the need for any kind of
0:17.3	top-down design.
0:19.1	God wanted a universe that was going to follow these elegant mathematical laws, which by
0:23.5	the way is one of those signposts that I see of an intelligence behind the universe.
0:28.5	You cannot have a god who does miracles on the one hand, and yet who has this sort of
0:33.1	let's let the laws of physics play themselves out without interference on the other.
0:37.6	You're having it both ways when you believe in miracles.
0:39.4	I think I can have it both ways.
0:41.2	Richard Swinburne says, God is totally simple, and that's ridiculous because if he is
0:45.7	simple, he couldn't invent the fundamental constant.
0:48.6	Why do you think he's got to be extremely complex?
0:50.6	Because he's got to hold all these electrons in his little hands.
0:54.0	No, no, no, no.
0:55.0	He's got that sort of guard at all and he has no extension in space.
0:58.9	Okay, I think I'll have to go to the middle point.
1:03.5	Hello and welcome to Unbelievably, the show that gets Christians and non-Christians
1:07.7	talking.
1:08.7	I'm Peter Byrum, and today we're revisiting perhaps one of the best and most unexpected
1:14.3	dialogues we've ever hosted on the show.
1:17.6	Season 4 of the big conversation launched in May 2022 with a discussion between Francis
1:23.4	Collins, a geneticist and founder of the Human Genome Project who came to Christian faith
1:28.4	while trying to disprove God's existence, and Richard Dawkins, the world's most famous
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