You become an American fundamentally by you learn the language, you adopt the mores,

you thrill to the stories and the heroes, you honor the symbols, and you believe in the ideals.

That makes you an American.

Hey, hey and welcome, this is the Ben Shapiro Show Sunday's special. I am eager to welcome to the program, Rich Lowry. He's editor of National Review, syndicated columnist, a commentator for the Fox News channel. His brand new book is the case for nationalism. Hey, I blurted it. It's a great book. Go check it out today. Rich, thanks so much for stopping by. Nice for having you been. So why don't we start from the beginning? What exactly is the case for nationalism? It's been much derided.

Obviously, nationalism has now been equated by the media with full-scale white supremacy.

If you say nationalism, just like if you say Judeo-Christian values, what you actually mean is white civilization.

So what exactly does nationalism mean in your definition?

Okay, so a couple things.

I make sort of two cases.

The broader case for nationalism,

and then the specific case for American nationalism. So the broader case is nationalism or at least national feeling.

There's an argument about how old nationalism is. But it's very old, it's natural, and it's powerful. Look at Joan of Arc,

you know, a 14-year-old girl has a vision in her father's garden from an angel that says,

you are going to liberate your country from the English. She kicks out the English. She

restores the French heir to the throne. And the English want to wipe her out, they burn her at the stake,

scatter her ashes in the Sen River, and her memory never goes away. And she becomes a symbol of

France and France's independence. That's so powerful when France is occupied later by much more

hideous power, you know, Germany, the Free French Forces use

Genovarck Symbol, the Cross of Lorraine, on their planes, on their ships. So that's a good

example of just how a natural, a national feeling is, the sense of loyalty and togetherness for

people that share a language and a culture.

And that is not a bad thing.

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