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The Hello and welcome to Open Minds UFO Radio.

This is your host Alejandro Rojas, and I am with, you might think it's Martin Willis.

Martin, not here, Willis.

He's actually not here.

He's in Florida. He's running around, trying to not here, Willis. He's actually not here. He's in Florida.

He's running around trying to check in a hotel or something like that, so he couldn't make it to record the show.

And I guess his guest canceled on him, so he won't be doing his own show, podcast UFO this week.

But before you feel sorry for him, he did send me a picture of these beautiful white

beaches where he's at. So he does not deserve our pity at all. In fact, he should be the one

pitying us who are back, you know, doing our regular life rigouramole. He's doing fine. So I hope he has a great time. He's actually there for work,

but he's planning on doing a lot of fun stuff too. So Martin's not here with us, but I got a lot of

news to go over anyway. So with that, we could probably get through more. So I want to talk to you

first about my guest. My guest tonight is Rich Hoffman. He's been on the show before. He's a part of the scientific coalition for uphology. So we've talked about that. He's also a researcher. He actually grew up in Dayton, Ohio, or near Dayton, Ohio, which is, of course, is where Project Blue Book was actually

headed out of Wright-Patterson Air Force Base. He started when he was a kid. In fact, at 15, he appeared

on the Phil Donahue show, and he became known as kind of this local UFO expert. So he's been in

this field for decades. He was known

for, you know, being the state director in Alabama. He also was a director of Mufon's strategic

projects. He's no longer with Mufon, though. Now he's with the SCU, the scientific coalition for

Uphology, which he helped start.

And for a full disclosure, I actually was part of the formation of this organization as well.

I'm kind of an board advisor, not necessarily a board member.

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