Before you listen to this BBC podcast, I'd like to tell you why I love podcasting.

I'm Sasha Johansson, I'm an Assistant Commissioner for the BBC and I work on making podcasts.

My real passion is discovering unbelievable unheard stories and working with the biggest

stars who can really bring those stories to life.

I love the whole process of making podcasts from the spark of an idea to hearing the final

edit.

There's nothing like it.

What makes BBC podcast special is that we're working for you, so whatever we commission

has to reflect the things that you care about and love, wherever you are in the UK.

So if you like this BBC podcast, there's so much more to discover.

Have a listen on BBC Sounds.

Hello and welcome to another Midnight Meets podcast where we enjoy one hour of proper conversation.

And that's the point I think.

It's a long format of you that is not interested in a sound bite, but just a type of chat

that gives you a real window into the true character and real person behind the fame

for one of a better word.

This episode returns to comedy, Rich Hall is a well-known comedian who's intelligent,

deadpan, sharply observant, award-winning, of course, he's been the outlaw country star

Otis Lee Crenshaw, he's a documentary maker and author and a regular face in UK TV.

Some of that we might even touch on in this Midnight Meets because his early career in

itself, which is hardly ever discussed, is worth an hour of your time alone, but a squeeze

then as much as it could and all in the company of the one and only, Rich Hall.

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