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Bullseye with Jesse Thorn

Rian Johnson

Bullseye with Jesse Thorn

NPR

Society & Culture

4.72.7K Ratings

🗓️ 6 January 2026

⏱️ 42 minutes

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Summary

Rian Johnson has dedicated the last 20 years of his career to making genre movies that transcend their genre. His latest smash hit film series, Knives Out, blends big, over-the-top whodunnit stories with humor and social satire. Johnson just wrote and directed the third movie in the series: Wake Up, Dead Man. Johnson joins Bullseye to talk about growing up as a youth-group kid in Orange County, California, why mystery is so inherent to his writing style, and the harsh realities of micro budget cinema.

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0:00.0

Support for NPR, and the following message come from Yarl and Pamela Mone, thanking the people who make public radio great every day and also those who listen.

0:11.5

Bullseye with Jesse Thorn is a production of Maximum Fun.org and is distributed by NPR.

0:33.4

It's Bullseye. I'm Jesse Thorne.

0:36.2

Ryan Johnson loves a good genre movie.

0:37.0

He always has. And genre movies are great. I mean,

0:39.5

I'm personally not a horror movie guy per se, but if you give me a movie about a sad policeman

0:45.5

in the 70s or like a screwball comedy where the joke is that a doctor is bad at being a doctor,

0:52.7

I am happy as a clam.

1:01.3

But the things that make a genre movie great can sometimes keep it from reaching fans who are outside of that world, critics, people who go to summer blockbusters, Academy Awards voters.

1:07.9

For the last 20 years, Ryan Johnson has dedicated his career to making genre movies that

1:12.8

transcend the limits of their genre. It started with Brick. That was a Raymond Carver-esque

1:19.3

detective story set in a Southern California high school. Looper was a movie about time-traveling

1:26.2

Hitman, Star Wars, The Last Jedi, which was and is the best

1:30.3

Star Wars movie. And of course, Knives Out, the smash hit film series that blends big

1:36.5

over-the-top whodunit stories with sharp specific humor and social satire. Johnson just wrote

1:43.6

and directed the third movie in the series. It's called

1:46.0

Wake Up Dead Man. It's set in a rural Catholic church where Daniel Craig's Benoit Blanc investigates

1:53.0

the death of the local Monsignor. Have you seen Wake Up Dead Man yet? I have. I loved it. I am so

1:59.8

thrilled to welcome an old friend of our program an old friend

2:02.7

of mine ryan johnson back onto the show let's get right into it

2:06.5

it ryan johnson welcome back to bullseye i'm so happy to have you back. It's very nice to see you.

2:18.2

Well, I've been looking forward to this. It's going to be. This is a pleasure, man.

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