It's important to notice when we're too focused on that sense of our bounded ego-based,

separate identity.

And, you know, to be engaged in the kind of set of practices that can deliver us when we're getting stuck.

Hello, and welcome to the Psychology Podcast.

In this episode, I talk to law professor and mindfulness leader Ronda McGee about her book,

The Inner Work of Racial Justice.

In this episode, we discuss her innovative approach to healing racial divides using mindfulness.

Ronda argues that when we bring awareness and compassion to ourselves,

relationships, and the environment, we invite healing and connection.

We also touch on the topics of education, spirituality, liberation, democracy, and community.

So that further ado, I bring you Ronda McGee.

Well, I'm really excited to talk to you today, and I thought we could just dive in because I, you know,

that's just having a formal chat, you know?

Yes, let's do. Thank you.

And thank you for the invitation to have this chat.

I'm a fan of your work and really just appreciating what you're offering right now in the world that needs,

who, you know, so many different sources of support.

And I see you as definitely offering that.

And I appreciate that very much.

You know, thank you so much for saying that.

And I feel the same way about you at your name.

Just kept coming up among so many people that I follow.

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