Hi, Rhett.

Hi, Andy. How are you? I'm good. How are you? Fantastic. We have, we have, this is the

podcast, by the way, we've already started. You, and I'm speaking to Rhett Miller, solo

artists, but also lead singer and sort of, do you consider yourself the leader of the old

90s? Well, I'm definitely the lead singer of the old 90s. I used to really try to boss

those guys around and it did go well, but you know, we're about to have our 30th anniversary

celebration in January, 30 years, same band, same lineup. But so, yeah, no, I had to let

go of the idea that I was the leader of the band. Right. And that's the part of why we've

stayed together, I think. Is it because they picked on you enough? They, you know, you've

got enough wedgies and dressing downs and short cheating your bus bunk? They pick on me

to this day. Yeah. It's, you know, honestly, that is like, you know, that was always one

of the nice things about Conan. Is that occasionally interns would make fun of them.

And you know, the braver interns and he could handle it because it's such an awful thing

to work with some royal entity that can't be, I don't know, can't have a sense of humor

about themselves, you know? Oh my God. And I know we all know people like that. I know

lots of, lots of lead singers of bands that, like, you know, John Bryan and Los Angeles.

I do. Yes. So John, years ago, when we were 20 years ago, in fact, when we were making

the instigator, John, he was talking about an Irish singer whom I won't name because

I don't know them personally. But I know it's one of two people. He said, oh, that guy,

he should be shot with balls of his own shit. I love that. It's so perfect. Which one

of the chieftains is it? That was fucking chieftains. Well, 30 years, that's, I mean, do

you know, I mean, you know, outside, well, even like the, that's better than the rolling

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