RFK Jr. Is the Biggest Public-Health Threat in U.S. History (w/ Sam Kass)
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🗓️ 7 November 2025
⏱️ 25 minutes
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| 0:32.6 | Hey everyone, it's Jonathan Cohn at The Bullwork. |
| 0:35.2 | We've been talking a lot about RFK Jr., what he's doing, vaccines, what's happening at the CDC. |
| 0:38.4 | But there is a whole other part to his agenda, which is about food. |
| 0:43.5 | It's interesting. |
| 0:44.5 | There's things to see there that maybe there's some good parts, bad parts. |
| 0:49.1 | Sifting through all that is complicated. |
| 0:51.8 | We have the perfect guest today to do that. It is Sam Cass. If you follow food, |
| 0:58.6 | if you watch the cooking channel, if you remember the Obama years, you may know him. He was a chef |
| 1:03.6 | in the Obama White House. He was also a senior policy advisor on nutrition policy for the Obama |
| 1:09.7 | White House, an executive director of the |
| 1:11.9 | Let's Move initiative that was run by the first lady. Since then, he's gone off into the private |
| 1:17.1 | sector, but he is also the author of a brand new book called The Last Supper, How to Overcome the |
| 1:23.6 | Coming Food Crisis. Sam, I'm so glad you're here to help us sort through these issues. It's great. It's great to be here. Thanks for having me. Yeah. Now, there's actually, I'm going to say, there's an alternative universe, right, where actually you're not in food. You're actually, you play for the white socks. I looked up, you played college baseball, and I think I saw you had a 366 lifetime average, the University of Chicago. Is that right? Yeah, I was trying to get drafted. I actually went to junior college for a couple years before then, in the hopes of making to the major leagues, much to my mother's chagrin. But eventually, you know, I went to UFC and then sort of hung up the cleats, so to speak, although I played there. I got the clades, yeah, yeah. Well, you did okay. You did okay. Now, how did you, how did you get to food? I mean, I heard this story once. That was interesting. I mean, how did that happen? Because I mean, baseball to food, not a, not a typical trajectory. Yeah, not at all. So I was finishing University of Chicago and I had a semester left. And I'd always love to cook and I felt like, you know, one day I should go to culinary school |
| 2:21.9 | because if you know how to cook, your life's better, you know, if you can feed yourself |
| 2:25.2 | and feed your future family. |
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