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I'm Michael Foote. And I'm Melissa Malbranche, and we've got a brand new show called Brief Recess, Illegal Podcast.

Every week, we talk about wild tales from court, trials gone wrong, and cases and rulings that shape our world.

Today we're going to be talking about stolen antiquities, all the weird things Melissa found at in a state sale, the crazy conversations I had with the bouncer and J.K. Rowling. We make the complicated clear and the serious, surprisingly fun. From the exactly right network, new episodes of Brief Recess drop every Thursday. Watch brief recess on YouTube. Listen to Brief Recess on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. If you have your own story of being an occult or a high-control group, or if you've had experience with manipulation or abuse of power that you'd like to share, leave us a message on our hotline number at 347-86 Trust. That6-Trust. That's 347-8-6-8-7-8.

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Welcome to Trust Me, the podcast about cults, extreme belief, and manipulation from two angry women who've actually experienced it.

I'm Lola Blanc.

And I'm Megan Elizabeth.

And today our guests are Felicia Rosario and Daniel Levin, survivors of Larry Ray and his Sarah Lawrence sex cult.

So today we're going to discuss how they came to meet the charismatic Larry, the ways in which he leveraged his photographic memory and government connections to craft a persona of ultimate authority, and how he slowly gained control of their minds and their lives

all under the guise of helping them. They'll tell us about how his manipulation escalated into

sexual abuse and ultimately horrific violence, how one night of being alone led to Daniel finally

leaving and how they're both doing now that Larry's finally going to prison for the harm that he has caused.

That's right. Yeah, thank God. Um, bye Larry. I wish we could have talked to them for so much longer,

but I love this interview because we got to really talk about how he sort of really started to

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