Hey guys, thanks for listening to the podcast. As you know, Joe Thorne has three new books

coming out by Moody Publishers and For the Church. His three books are on The Heart of the Church,

the Character of the Church, and the life of the church.

And while they come out March 7th,

you can still pre-order now.

So go ahead and click on that link in the show notes

and grab yours today. Welcome to Dr and devotion, a podcast that explores Christian faith and practice from a reformed Baptist perspective.

My name is Joe Thorne, I'm the lead pastor of Redeemer Fellowship in St Charles, Illinois.

And I'm Jimmy Fowler, Eldar at Redeemer Fellowship.

Eldarish.

Eldarish, I'll be, Eldarish at Redeemer Fellowship.

By the time of this airs you might actually be an elder. Yeah, maybe, you know. Maybe, who knows? Maybe another month. I don't, who knows? I kind of like the, I kind of like the way Elder Candidate feels. Yeah, because it doesn't really demand very much of you.

No, and that's kind of it.

It really doesn't.

It really doesn't.

People don't really, like they don't go to me for things, they go to you. They don't come and bother me, they bother you. And I don't really feel that same weight and stress that I know you feel at night as you go to bed and you're like,

my goodness people are suffering so much.

I'm like, eh, I'm going to bed.

I know, I think that the main difference between you and me besides, you know,

skill, talent, knowledge is... I think that the main difference between you and me besides you know skill talent

knowledge is that you just don't care you don't care about the people of

Redeemer and that's why you haven't finished your

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