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To The Contrary with Charlie Sykes

Revisiting the Nuremberg Trials

To The Contrary with Charlie Sykes

Charlie Sykes

News, Politics, News Commentary

4.9719 Ratings

🗓️ 20 January 2026

⏱️ 65 minutes

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Summary

Charlie invites Joe Klein, political commentator and author of Primary Colors, to discuss the 1961 film Judgment at Nuremberg and the 2025 film Nuremberg, and why they resonate today. They also talk about some of the latest news, their political trajectories, and their disagreements. 

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0:00.0

Well, welcome back to The To the Contrary podcast. I am Charlie Sykes. As I wrote to my newsletter yesterday, yes, it is real. It is not a parody. The president of the United States actually sent a but hurt note to the Prime Minister of Norway complaining. And I'm sorry, I'm really not making all of this up, but you know this by now. He sends a note to the Prime Minister of Norway

0:21.6

complaining about not getting the Nobel Prize again, which he was, of course, never going to get.

0:27.0

And then linking this to the fact that, well, now that I didn't get the prize, I don't have to

0:31.2

care about peace anymore, which is why we're going to do what we're going to do to Greenland,

0:34.6

in case you have not heard this, which I'm sure you have by now.

0:38.2

Dear Jonas, considering your country decided not to give me the Nobel Prize for having stopped

0:44.7

eight wars plus, fact check bullshit, I no longer feel an obligation to think purely of peace,

0:50.7

although it will always be predominant, but I now think about what is good and proper for the

0:54.8

United States, and then it goes on. I mean, how bad is this? Don't ask. Well, we have to ask,

0:59.7

because, of course, we are now in this weird simulation where Donald Trump's infantile neediness

1:09.1

and his recklessness is shaping the world that we are in.

1:13.4

And by the way, I really should start every one of these recordings by just reminding you

1:18.5

that there's probably something, you know, even more horrible that's happened since we

1:23.1

recorded all of this.

1:24.4

So I apologize for that.

1:25.7

But again, that's just the way things are. So we have a

1:29.1

full plate again today.

1:34.1

Joining me to go through all of the stuff that's happening in our world, the legendary

1:39.7

journalist and author Joe Klein, most importantly the author of the Substack Newsletter,

1:46.0

Sanity Clause. Good to talk with you, Joe. Good to be here, Charlie.

1:51.5

Well, and of course, what we have to do is we have to start talking about movies. I want to

1:56.0

talk about movies. No, seriously, I think Joe Klein and I have some movies that we want to talk about

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