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Hey, welcome to Inquiring Minds. I'm Indra Viscontas. This is a podcast that explores the space

where science and society collide. We want to find out what's true, what's left to discover, and why it matters.

There's more than what we see.

Listening to the news these days often reminds me of the Dunning Kruger effect.

The cognitive bias in which people think they know more

than they actually do, this illusory sense of superiority. Just because you're an expert in one topic

does not mean that you're an expert in all topics. And in fact, the layperson's view of the

Dunning Krueger effect is often one in which,

the less you know, the more confident you are that what you know is actually correct.

It's essentially a failure of metacognition, understanding your own thought processes.

And as we all have maybe perhaps a little bit more time to reflect on how we think these days,

I thought it might be

interesting to go back to the source and find out if there are any updates that we should be

thinking about when considering the Dunning-Krooger effect. So I reached out to David Dunning. He's an

American social psychologist and professor of psychology at the University of Michigan. He is also

Professor Emeritus from Cornell University. He's been working in the field of psychology at the University of Michigan. He is also professor emeritus from Cornell University.

He's been working in the field of psychology for many decades. And while his 1999 study co-authored with

Justin Kruger is perhaps what he's best known for, he of course is an expert in all types of metacognition.

David Dunning, welcome to inquiring minds.

It's a pleasure.

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