From KCRW, I'm Kim Masters, and this is the business.

You know, it's in the show, like running from who you are as hard, especially if you have a limp.

Like, I really believe that.

Like, you can't, honey.

Like, cerebral palsy will always catch up.

She's slow, but she gets there.

For years, Ryan O'Connell was in the closet, not because he's gay, which he is, but because he was ashamed of having cerebral palsy.

His cover? He'd been hit by a car, which was true. But eventually that lie took a toll. Today we're

revisiting our conversation with O'Connell. He tells us about the four-year struggle to find a home for

his autobiographical comedy series Special, which is now nominated for four Emmys in the

short form category. But first on an all-new news banter, why Martin Scorsese's The Irishman

may not be coming to a theater near you. Stay tuned, it's the business from KCRW.

I am joined by my buddy in banter, Matt Bellany of the Hollywood reporter. Hello, Matt.

Hi there. Welcome back. Oh, thank you. I was off the grid in the wilds of West Virginia. So we will talk about, we'll talk about Netflix. We never talk about Netflix. We'll talk about Netflix because Netflix constantly commands our attention.

This time we're looking at Netflix cruising into awards season with a big, big batch of movies. I think the highest profile is Martin Scorsese's mob movie, The Irishman. I must feel like it's redundant to say Martin Scorsese's mob movie,

although he has done not mob movies. But this is a movie that is, you know, the kind of thing,

that the film world, the adult, you know, art house type of film world is like, of course,

this is going to get a wide release, isn't it? I will note that this movie cost about $160 million. That was so rich that

Paramount said no. Paramount had been very much in business with Martin Scorsese. And for Paramount

to let this movie go, you just know that they felt there was zero choice. Netflix stepped in,

as Netflix does with those megabucks. And now the question has been,

will it get that wide release? And the answer is, it's not going to. It'll get some release,

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