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Pitchfork Economics with Nick Hanauer

Revisiting Reimagining Capitalism (with Rebecca Henderson)

Pitchfork Economics with Nick Hanauer

Civic Ventures

News, Business, Government, Politics

4.71.5K Ratings

🗓️ 27 January 2026

⏱️ 31 minutes

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Summary

As inequality deepens, democratic institutions strain, and climate risk accelerates, it’s becoming impossible to ignore a basic question: What is capitalism actually for? This week, we revisit our conversation with Harvard Business School professor Rebecca Henderson who argues that today’s economic crises aren’t the result of isolated failures, but of an economic system designed around the wrong goal—maximizing shareholder value at any cost. Drawing from her book Reimagining Capitalism in a World on Fire, Henderson makes the case that markets built around cooperation, dignity, and shared prosperity don’t just serve the public good—they often outperform extractive, low-road models, while decades of trickle-down economics hollowed out institutions, rewarded cheating over value creation, and left businesses dependent on a society they are actively undermining. Together, they ask what it would take to build a new economic paradigm—one where firms exist to strengthen the communities, democracy, and planet they rely on to survive. Rebecca Henderson is the John and Natty McArthur University Professor at Harvard Business School, where she teaches the acclaimed course Reimagining Capitalism and explores how business can help build a more just, sustainable economy. She is the author of Reimagining Capitalism in a World on Fire, and a research fellow at the National Bureau of Economic Research, a fellow of the British Academy and American Academy of Arts and Sciences, and has served on the boards of major public companies. Social Media: @RebeccaReCap Further reading:  Reimagining Capitalism in a World on Fire TED Talk: To save the climate, we have to reimagine capitalism Website: http://pitchforkeconomics.com Facebook: Pitchfork Economics Podcast Bluesky: @pitchforkeconomics.bsky.social Instagram: @pitchforkeconomics Threads: pitchforkeconomics TikTok: @pitchfork_econ YouTube: @pitchforkeconomics LinkedIn: Pitchfork Economics Twitter: @PitchforkEcon, @NickHanauer Substack: ⁠The Pitch⁠

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0:00.0

The rising inequality and growing political instability that we see today are the direct result of decades of bad economic theory.

0:10.9

The last five decades of trickle-down economics haven't worked.

0:14.7

But what's the alternative?

0:16.3

Middle-out economics is the answer.

0:18.6

Because the middle class is the source of growth, not its consequence.

0:23.2

That's right.

0:28.7

This is pitchfork economics with Nick Hanauer, a podcast about how to build the economy from the middle out.

0:36.9

Welcome to the show.

0:44.0

Hey, Pitchfork listeners. I'm Freddie, producer at Pitchfork Economics. Capitalism isn't

0:49.6

broken because we didn't try hard enough. It's broken because we designed it around the wrong

0:53.9

goals.

0:54.8

Today, we're revisiting reimagining capitalism,

0:57.7

a conversation where economist Rebecca Henderson

1:00.2

explains how markets can be built around cooperation,

1:03.3

dignity, and shared prosperity,

1:05.1

and why systems designed around those values

1:07.3

would actually work better.

1:08.9

This conversation opens the door to what comes next.

1:15.3

Well, Goldie, as you know and all our listeners know, we've been up and down and over again

1:21.6

and again on the purpose of the corporation and are pretty adamant that this idea that the only purpose is to enrich shareholders and

1:30.1

executives is bogus.

1:32.3

Otherwise known as the world's dumbest idea.

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